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PostSubject: Tamiya Electronics Experience?   Sat Jun 21, 2014 9:18 am

No, I don't want this to be a Tam. vs everything else, like we see on that "other forum"; I am looking for real experiences from our own members, rather than what I read, there.

I am interested to hear who has Tamiya electronic in their tank, in the Can Am and what your opinions/experiences are, since I am considering them as an alternative choice.

I am interested in things like;

Reliability, any personal experience you might have in that regard

Longevity, how long have you had yours and has its performance been consistent?

Functioning, any set up problems or did they just work from the start?

Non-Tamiya Tanks, anyone fitted them to HL, Taigen, etc.?

Purchase, if you acquired them separately (rather than them coming with a Tam. tank kit), where did you purchase them?

That's enough for now, if I get some comments, I will likely have some more questions.

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PostSubject: Re: Tamiya Electronics Experience?   Sat Jun 21, 2014 3:45 pm


I haven't had mine long, but I found it a breeze to install compare to other systems I've done.  thumbs up 

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PostSubject: Re: Tamiya Electronics Experience?   Sat Jun 21, 2014 4:00 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Tamiya Electronics Experience?   Sat Jun 21, 2014 7:06 pm

Hey Glen B,
I have 7 Tamiya tanks running Tamiya electronics.... Basically if you want plug and play set up they are the go, they are only a 4ch system so not complicated at all they have great sound and everything works really nicely.
I have fitted Tamiya electronics into a H/L King Tiger and a WSN T34, I had the standard WSN recoil working of the Tamiya unit. I also run 480 motors in all my Heavy German armour the units handle the bigger motors no probs.
I also have 1 Tamiya tank running Elmod Pro and a H/L / Asiatam Stug 3 running an IBU2 board, Elmod of course has way more functions then the Tammy electronics but also more complicated to set up, the IBU2 board is also only a 4ch board but very easy to set up like Tammy electronics.

So you wont go wrong running Tamiya electronics they have no momentum but there are ways around that to get momentum if that's something you want....???

If you end up wanting Tamiya electronics, I would buy from here....http://jasons-store.highwire.com/

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PostSubject: Re: Tamiya Electronics Experience?   Sat Jun 21, 2014 9:14 pm

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So you wont go wrong running Tamiya electronics they have no momentum but there are ways around that to get momentum if that's something you want....???

My KV-1 actually has momentum, if I running a full speed and stop it will roll at least 2".

Not a 100% sure but only the Russian tanks and Leapord have it.

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PostSubject: Re: Tamiya Electronics Experience?   Sun Jun 22, 2014 2:58 am

Yeah your right the newer units from Tamiya have it but not the US tanks or German tanks..... the Leo 2 doesn't really have it not like the KV's... my Leo still stops on a dime, but you can get around it on any of the ones that don't if you want it.

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PostSubject: Re: Tamiya Electronics Experience?   Sun Jun 22, 2014 8:32 am

Thanks guys.

I have seen posts about momentum on the "other forum" but its is not something I was concerned about, I am curious as to what the benefit is on a model to be run in IR battles.

I see that site is in Japan and I wounder what the shipping costs are.  I recall looking at buying a tank from the UK but the shipping costs to Canada from there was discouraging.

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PostSubject: Re: Tamiya Electronics Experience?   Sun Jun 22, 2014 9:38 am

Jason's store has everything, and he also has an eBay account with reasonable shipping costs too.

http://stores.ebay.ca/Jasons-Store

While I know you're discouraged with your Clark board I can only say once they get set up they tend to go pretty good Wink I was going to attempt yours with another radio setup but didn't have the time last Saturday, just another step in the troubleshooting.

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PostSubject: Re: Tamiya Electronics Experience?   Sun Jun 22, 2014 10:01 am

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While I know you're discouraged with your Clark board I

Yes I am more than I have expressed on the forum in the past, but here it is. 

I have a new Panther, completed in early March 2014 at an all up cost of $500.00 to $600.00 that I have not been able to use, since I completed it 4 months ago.

I have had 3 SLU's, 2 to 3 years of age, that have developed the inability to run straight at all speeds.  This is repairable with a replacement chip, but I understand the supply of chips has dried up; I don't know if this is temporary, or permanent. I have 4 SLU tanks, one of which I can't run until I get the repaired SLU back (last chip), experience indicates one or more of the other one's can be expected to act up.

I am to the point where this has prompted me to call a halt to any tank purchases or builds until I can sort the electronic issues out, one way or the other.  

If I didn't like the hobby so much, I'd just quit, but the practical side of me says that I can't keep tossing money at stuff that does not last, or cause problems and frustration (and one of the reasons I practice my hobbies is to get away from problems and frustrations).

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PostSubject: Re: Tamiya Electronics Experience?   Sun Jun 22, 2014 10:54 am

Hi glen,

I must be running around too much to have heard you had any major issues with you Clark board. There is no question the Tamiya electronics are time tested and run well. The Clarks take a little, and I mean a little fiddling and they seem to perform to expectations. The thing for me is cost. When I first started looking at this hobby a couple of years ago I quickly realized that Tamiya was out of my budget if I wanted to have several tanks. So I went with Clarks. As a total newbie I was lost for about 6 months but I am slowly learning about all this electronic stuff Thanks to Michael. The first thing I did was get my own Sony controller and printed out all the instructions for the Clark. While easy to program there is a lot on them and it is easy to screw up the sequence as you go along. No question the clark can do wonky things but between the radio adjustments and programming most of them can be figured out. Make no mistake about it with Clark they have bad boards that come through their QC no question but Curtis seems to be pretty good at getting a replacement. Also I might mention that I have some different setups with emitter/receivers and there are ones that work better with the Clark that others. I could go on with more details but the bottom line is this: If I could afford it I would have all Tamiya's but I want more than 2 tanks so clark is the best deal out there AND seems to working hard to improve and add features so for the time being I will put up with "the issues" as I can get them to work most of the time....

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PostSubject: Re: Tamiya Electronics Experience?   Sun Jun 22, 2014 11:09 am

Glen,
I can feel your pain. I have been using tamiya's for years. No problem. I only had couple DMD burnt due to heavy load. Tamiya replaced them with no issue. 
Tested couple samples from Clark, disappointed. 
Then bought I had opportunity testing new generation Clark's that came with Cromwell. It took lots of time to figure out, Curtise sent some instructions. Greg spent some time with me on the phone trying to trouble shooting. Now it is working, but engine sound deos not sync with speed. 
In the future, the only case I am going to use clark's is the tank with limited room inside. Clark board is much smaller. but i have to sacrifice the sound and other functions.  The best board I tried are the Tiger board sample I got from China, hope they put them into production. really nice sound details and lots functions which can be programmed by radio itself. I installed it in T55, sold a while ago. really missed it. 
Glen, good luck with your future purchase.
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PostSubject: Re: Tamiya Electronics Experience?   Mon Jun 23, 2014 2:12 pm

Glen,

Did you try switching the receiver with your Panther Clark board and see if you still have the same issue ? Mine went away when I switched it with another receiver. I don't have scientific proof yet but I am pretty sure that some Clark has compatibility with certain receivers, especially the Turnigy ones.

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PostSubject: Re: Tamiya Electronics Experience?   Mon Jun 23, 2014 7:48 pm

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Glen,

Did you try switching the receiver with your Panther Clark board and see if you still have the same issue ? Mine went away when I switched it with another receiver. 

Mike, thanks

I can try another receiver but it would be the same brand and model, thats all I have.

I run the other Clark that I have in the one Tiger I with the same radio and same brand/model of receiver without any problems.

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PostSubject: Re: Tamiya Electronics Experience?   Mon Jun 23, 2014 10:40 pm

well I am not sure what issues people keep talking about the Clark board as I have set up or literally helped set up hundreds of boards.
For programming there is only one way to do it without issues
Do the appropriate jumper steps.
Turn tank on, hit the sony remote function then press the # 1, that saves the function you requested to the memory, turn tank off then turn it back on and do function 2 and so on down the line.
Do that and I gaurantee everything will be fine.
In general yes I do take boards back and will send them to Clark for repair but this can take 8 weeks which can be arrrghhh but hey it costs me to ship so I go on the cheap.
Their are boards with issues yes but overall the failure rate is probably the same as Tamiyas.
Biggest issues are the use of Lipo's, Clarks don't like Lipos. As Mike says turnigy recievers have issues but that is Turnigy not Clark ( Check your reciever serial numbers, version 2 work flawless, version 1 sucks and Turnigy releases a few thousand of version 1's at a time that they have stockpiled)
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PostSubject: Re: Tamiya Electronics Experience?   Mon Jun 23, 2014 10:46 pm

Clarks have more programmability than Tamiya
Clarks are easier to use than Tamiya and accept a wider Transmitter availability
Clarks have a better price point
Clarks are smaller than Tamiya
the list can go on but hey, you guys know I like the Clark and I recently tested some other boards which on the surface compete. Once you play with them for a bit I would question do they really?

What you give up with Clark is when you do get a board with suspect functions or workability
you need to do some homework but I guess even Tamiya's are like that sometimes.

Glen I think what you need to do is send the board back to me as requested, let me test it and if nothing else I will send it back for repair.
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PostSubject: Re: Tamiya Electronics Experience?   Mon Jun 23, 2014 11:05 pm

I am using all Tactic TR624 receivers with my tanks;

http://hobbyhobby.com/store/product/286473/TR624-SLT-2.4GHz-6Ch-Rx-Only/

With a Tactic TTX 404 radio

http://hobbyhobby.com/store/product/286467/TTX404-SLT-4-Ch-2.4GHz-Tx-Rx-No-Servos/

This set up works fine with the first Clark I purchased, it is a good runner.

The second Clark also works well on all functions, except that is will not run properly in reverse.

My batteries are all NiMH which work fine with the first Clark I bought.

The problem is with the second unit, two tracks do not run at synchronized speeds in reverse, so the tank does 360's while trying to reverse.

This cannot be addressed with trim.

If I switch the motor leads left to right, the opposite side tracks run slow, so it is not a mechanical issue.

Those who looked at it at the last meet do not think it is a programing problem, maybe it is, I don't know.

I don't have a sony remote and am not familiar with programing them.

After completing this last tank about 4 months ago, I would just like to get this problem sorted out.

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PostSubject: Re: Tamiya Electronics Experience?   Mon Jun 23, 2014 11:08 pm

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Clarks have more programmability

This not necessarily a good thing.

I've notice at the last few Can-Am meets, that quite a few members are running the Clarks with different settings (and I might be one of them).

Some have different speed reduction or none at all, different reload times that don't coordinate with how many hits they take, no hull recoil when, etc.

With so much customization, there is no standard and some people intentional or unintentional will have an advantage.

I like the Clark board and do think it has it's place, but for use in the club we need to come to an agreement on some standard settings, so there is fair play and we can just consecrate on having fun.

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PostSubject: Re: Tamiya Electronics Experience?   Mon Jun 23, 2014 11:12 pm

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Glen I think what you need to do is send the board back to me as requested, let me test it and if nothing else I will send it back for repair.

I will pack it up and send it back over the next couple days.

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PostSubject: Re: Tamiya Electronics Experience?   Mon Jun 23, 2014 11:21 pm

My last two cents on this. Clark is cheap enough that I usually have one or two spares lying around so if things go south I can always just swap them and then try to troubleshoot/repair.
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PostSubject: Re: Tamiya Electronics Experience?   Mon Jun 23, 2014 11:25 pm

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My last two cents on this. Clark is cheap enough that I usually have one or two spares lying around so if things go south I can always just swap them and then try to troubleshoot/repair.

Mike, I may try doing that.

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PostSubject: Re: Tamiya Electronics Experience?   Mon Jun 23, 2014 11:54 pm

Just to make it easier to manage we can just say you have to use the default settings in terms of reload/hits/damage etc. Unfortunately you can't just do a reset to default for everything since it will also reset the direction of the servo recoil, momentum etc.

I believe the default battle setting is the Tamiya Heavy Tank setting.

It would be nice if there is a reset that only sets battle settings to the default and not the tank hardware settings like servo direction etc. It will have to be an honour system.

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PostSubject: Re: Tamiya Electronics Experience?   Tue Jun 24, 2014 12:21 am

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Freakydude wrote:
Clarks have more programmability

This not necessarily a good thing.

I've notice at the last few Can-Am meets, that quite a few members are running the Clarks with different settings (and I might be one of them).

Some have different speed reduction or none at all, different reload times that don't coordinate with how many hits they take, no hull recoil when, etc.  

With so much customization, there is no standard and some people intentional or unintentional will have an advantage.

I like the Clark board and do think it has it's place, but for use in the club we need to come to an agreement on some standard settings, so there is fair play and we can just consecrate on having fun.
Is this anything like some having Tamiya BU receivers and some not? Its all in fun or at least I thought it was. If someone with a light beats my heavy then that is cool with me. If someone sets their board a bit different so they can stay in the fight longer to have some fun that should be cool too.

I can set a Tamiya system to live forever just like any other board. Its not the equipment that is at issue, Its the player.
If you/we or I see a player taking advantage of something maybe we can have a discussion and if that don't work just lay down the law and tell them = no play till he/she sets his board relatively the same as everyone else.
I hope the only serious part of this for me is for the building/painting end of things. The battles should be all fun BUT I am in favor of having a marshall that can ask to double check peoples settings as long as it doesn't discourage new members or it doesn't discourage fun.
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PostSubject: Re: Tamiya Electronics Experience?   Tue Jun 24, 2014 12:24 am

MikeC wrote:
Just to make it easier to manage we can just say you have to use the default settings in terms of reload/hits/damage etc. Unfortunately you can't just do a reset to default for everything since it will also reset the direction of the servo recoil, momentum etc.

I believe the default battle setting is the Tamiya Heavy Tank setting.

It would be nice if there is a reset that only sets battle settings to the default and not the tank hardware settings like servo direction etc. It will have to be an honour system.

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If programmed one step at a time like I suggest then hitting the number 1 takes you back to your default setting.
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PostSubject: Re: Tamiya Electronics Experience?   Tue Jun 24, 2014 1:59 pm

O.K. since we are hijacking this thread to include fair play here is my honest opinion. And I am ready for the flak. I got big shoulders so let er rip!

We are all here to have some fun. People can yak all day about realistic play, light tanks, medium tanks, 45 degree defense, speeds, emitter spray, and on and on. Until you have some type of tank certification program in place you are going to be all over the board. Period. And even then realistic? Come on, you want realistic kill ranges you need a football field sized play area. The average engagement range in Russia was 1200 to 1600 Meters, that's 80 to 100 Meters in scale play. We usually get down to final kills under 8 feet! And when we do allies against Axis and you have 6 Tigers on one side and Shermans and maybe T-34's on the other, but realistic? You would need 30 allied to the axis...You want realistic? Go play WOT but put yourself in a closet in a 100 degree room and have your headphones blasting and a can of diesel fuel beside you just for ambiance. Oh and every so often head yourself in the head with a hammer just to simulate concussion blows from the shells that hit but don't penetrate.
 
If we are just playing for fun why not no matter what type of tank you have X number of kills for everyone? For those with way over speed tanks take 2 hits off or something. That way there is no punishment for using you light or medium tanks and maybe us little guys can have some fun without 16 Tigers chasing us all over the field all day!  Laughing  

I have mentioned to a couple of people why don't we have a 2 tiered system like car or motorcycle racing. You get your tank certified and re-checked the day of battle just to make sure everything is still working and set aside 1 battle in the day for a certified tank battle? Just a thought..

And for programming clark's get us all in a circle with our jumpers in and set everybody all at once!  Razz 

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PostSubject: Re: Tamiya Electronics Experience?   Tue Jun 24, 2014 2:08 pm

This 'fairness fight' was the cause for RCANN and other east coast rc tank clubs to split. 'fun' or 'competition'? HL battle system is not fair to my understanding because there is a delay in action, no gun recoil, etc. That is why only tamiya system is allowed for 'competition' at Danvill. True, let the fun begin. Hot dogs and coffee and beer and sunshine and breeze and tanks.
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