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PostSubject: Bergepanzer 4 Down Again!!!   Sat Jan 30, 2016 3:58 pm

So I finally got around to fixing the striped gear on Bergepanzer 4.  Turn out I had an extra gearbox that was a perfect match, so an easy swap out.

I threw in a battery to give it a quick test, when I started see smoke, then followed by flames. affraid




As you can see the battery wires are melted and the battery is a lost too. Mad







Not sure if this is the reason, but looks like the one of the battery wires came loose from the power switch.





I think the board might be still good, as the damage seems to be contain to the battery wires.  I'll have to wait until my little workshop clears of smoke before I can see what can be done.

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PostSubject: Re: Bergepanzer 4 Down Again!!!   Sat Jan 30, 2016 4:06 pm

Jordan, this is why I re-wired the power switches for all my tanks. There is absolutely no reason why it should be wired the way it is. I know it is easy for trained monkeys to just solder solder solder, but the two positives does not need to be 2 mm away exposed from the negative and disaster. 

John, this is exactly what I was talking about this morning if you are reading this.........
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PostSubject: Re: Bergepanzer 4 Down Again!!!   Sat Jan 30, 2016 4:10 pm

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Jordan, this is why I re-wired the power switches for all my tanks.

ahh Mike......  I'm not Jordan, I'm Derek.  Sad

I know we both have beards, but come on you should be able to tell us apart by now.

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PostSubject: Re: Bergepanzer 4 Down Again!!!   Sat Jan 30, 2016 4:12 pm

Oh sorry......... Was typing too fast. Sorry to Jordan and definitely sorry to Stince......

Funny thing is as I was typing it I keep telling myself how I didn't think Jordan has a Bergepanzer............ What a dumb a$$.
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PostSubject: Re: Bergepanzer 4 Down Again!!!   Sat Jan 30, 2016 4:15 pm

MikeC wrote:
Oh sorry......... Was typing too fast. Sorry to Jordan and definitely sorry to Stince......

Funny thing is as I was typing it I keep telling myself how I didn't think Jordan has a Bergepanzer............ What a dumb a$$.

lol!  It's okay Mike, I'll forgive ya.

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PostSubject: Re: Bergepanzer 4 Down Again!!!   Sat Jan 30, 2016 6:17 pm

ouch this sucks yes the switch in my T-34 i put a two pin the HL ones if it breaks loose so close it will Arc and this happens sorry to hear of this, it sucks

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PostSubject: Re: Bergepanzer 4 Down Again!!!   Sat Jan 30, 2016 8:08 pm

I think you will find it was the battery connector that was problem because the fire would have been more in the switch area. this is one reason why i change all my batteries connectors to deans. those white ones suck at the best of time but then again a tank shouldn't draw enough power to melt them in the first place

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PostSubject: Re: Bergepanzer 4 Down Again!!!   Sat Jan 30, 2016 8:12 pm

....well I did INSTALL this one, bah, I just don't remember if I played with the switch or not >< Don't set them on fire! 

I've had to resolder them before using a fair amount of flux and get a really nice solid bead between those posts, sometimes it's barely attached.

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PostSubject: Re: Bergepanzer 4 Down Again!!!   Sat Jan 30, 2016 9:13 pm

I agree with Mike , the suppliers of the kits must known the power switch  drawing all those amps ,with the close +/- proximity was the wrong choice. I am switching the majority of my tanks  for that reason .Some time ago Ian showed me the Deans connector, as did Russel, which is a solid connector.An upgraded power switch seems like a obvious choice .
Dean's recent upgrade to Norma's T34  included upgraded power switches sourced from "KW Surplus"  at minimal cost . Reduces some of the worry of melt down for her new fav tank.
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PostSubject: Re: Bergepanzer 4 Down Again!!!   Sat Jan 30, 2016 11:54 pm

I'd love a bunch of better switches that fit the same slot HL tanks use.. or just ignore the "-" post and keep just the positive wires on it.

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PostSubject: Re: Bergepanzer 4 Down Again!!!   Sun Jan 31, 2016 1:08 am

i used one from my old SLU 

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PostSubject: Re: Bergepanzer 4 Down Again!!!   Mon Feb 01, 2016 7:56 pm

Ya Mike , I read this , couldn't get home fast to plug in my soldering gun , I eliminated my grounds off all my switches , did my mini fuses at same time , thanks for the advice
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PostSubject: Re: Bergepanzer 4 Down Again!!!   Mon Feb 01, 2016 8:12 pm

Negaduck wrote:
I think you will find it was the battery connector that was problem because the fire would have been more in the switch area. this is one reason why i change all my batteries connectors to deans. those white ones suck at the best of time but then again a tank shouldn't draw enough power to melt them in the first place

Russel might right on this.  When I place the battery in the battery box I notice the wires were pulled quite tight with a lot of stress on the connectors.  So, It might of been my own dumb fault. Mad

Looks like your off the hook Jordan, at least for now..... Suspect

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PostSubject: Re: Bergepanzer 4 Down Again!!!   Mon Feb 01, 2016 8:13 pm

My rates are $35 / hr for maintenance Wink Bwahhaa

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PostSubject: Re: Bergepanzer 4 Down Again!!!   Mon Feb 01, 2016 8:23 pm

Sure just like any other tech service, just fix it enough so it works for a bit and then sucker them in for extra fees when it needs to be fixed. tongue

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PostSubject: Re: Bergepanzer 4 Down Again!!!   Mon Feb 01, 2016 10:25 pm

then again you could always get me to solder it up on a battle day. always have the iron for anyone to use

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