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PostSubject: Strato's M26A1 Pershing   Strato's M26A1 Pershing Icon_minitimeFri Jun 06, 2014 2:06 am

Pulled the trigger on a Pershing, now bringing my Axis vs Allied count to a happy even number!

I brought this up on RCU and with some discussion it turns out I have a mix of "new" and original HL pershing parts with this tank. 

New:

  • hollow single-pin tracks (boo)
  • New mantlet design (yay)
  • New speaker
  • Tons of extra parts on sprue


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  • Solid-hub wheels (boo)
  • RX-18 electroincs
  • probably upper and lower hull molds


I started by removing the tracks and roadwheels. I drilled out the solid centre caps on the wheels to allow a screwdriver inside and unfastened from the suspension arms. Once removed I split each wheel (14 of them) on a band saw slowly, then drilled out the rest of the hull with a drill press. Now I can use the new centre hubs that were included and the plastic wheels as necessary for replacements or as deck cargo.

Upgrades planned for this tank include closed-pin metal tracks, 4:1 Taigen steel gears, metal suspension & roadwheels with bearings from TankArmy.com, return rollers and the usual Clark board setup. 


This evening I attacked the most obvious parts of the tank that were made with cast steel with Mr Surfacer 500. This stuff is great, is easy to work with and once you really get the hang of it things move along quickly. Thank you again Stince for giving me this bottle Wink

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PostSubject: Re: Strato's M26A1 Pershing   Strato's M26A1 Pershing Icon_minitimeFri Jun 06, 2014 2:44 am

Congrats on the new Pershing Jordon
it's looking good  one day i will have to do more work to mine it was the first tank i bought

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PostSubject: Re: Strato's M26A1 Pershing   Strato's M26A1 Pershing Icon_minitimeFri Jun 06, 2014 10:51 am

Mr. Surfacer is nice to work with, except for the smell.  I used on my Pershing too, but don't think I used enough of it to get the full effect.

I see you also chop the side fenders off too.  thumbs up   I think it makes look meaner sleeker that way.

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PostSubject: Re: Strato's M26A1 Pershing   Strato's M26A1 Pershing Icon_minitimeSat Jun 07, 2014 1:36 am

Yea from the little bit I've read so far the M26A1 generally had all the fenders removed, I like the look too. It also has a slightly longer barrel and a bore evacuator.

There are a few spots where I might add some more Mr Surfacers, but overall it turned out pretty nice. I don't think a few layers of paint will fill it in, so I'm happy Smile

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PostSubject: Re: Strato's M26A1 Pershing   Strato's M26A1 Pershing Icon_minitimeSat Jun 07, 2014 10:03 am

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I started by removing the tracks and roadwheels. I drilled out the solid centre caps on the wheels to allow a screwdriver inside and unfastened from the suspension arms. Once removed I split each wheel (14 of them) on a band saw slowly, then drilled out the rest of the hull with a drill press. Now I can use the new centre hubs that were included and the plastic wheels as necessary for replacements or as deck cargo.
Jordan,

Is that the only way to remove the road wheels ? I just ordered a set of metal ones from Tank Army as well and I am wondering if I have to do the same thing just to remove the plastic ones. On HLs the hub cap usually comes off so you can get at the mounting screws but it doesn't sound like it is the case here.

Do you have the metals ones already ? Post some pics when you do please !

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PostSubject: Re: Strato's M26A1 Pershing   Strato's M26A1 Pershing Icon_minitimeSat Jun 07, 2014 10:58 pm

Yea Mike the original Pershing wheels, for whatever reason, were never designed to be removable. Lame... Sad I can't think of another way besides drilling that hole in the hub.

Once theyre apart you can see that they are glued together in such a way that they'd NEVER pry apart without shattering. It's pretty dumb.

Shall do, they're on the way Razz

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PostSubject: Re: Strato's M26A1 Pershing   Strato's M26A1 Pershing Icon_minitimeTue Jun 10, 2014 10:25 am

Got a bit more done in the last couple days. Finished off the Mr Surfacer texture job on the engine deck and gun mantlet. I did it a lot thicker to really show it off through the eventual coats of paint, I hope it's not too much but I like it.

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Removed the return rollers and suspension parts that don't come with the new metal set in order to paint. I already know the weakest point of this tank is going to be the front roadwheel & idler setup... the new wheels don't come with metal suspension arms for these sections & I wish they would... Henntech has an idler system similar to the Tiger's, so that's a future possibility. 

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Removing the return rollers was easier than I had expected. They are press-to-fit into the sides of the hull and also support the main suspension springs. I thought they were MEK'd solid into their mounting but with a bit of solid and consistence force they wiggled free without damage. Woohoo! All set to install the new metal rollers once they arrive.

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Painting with a can of Krylon Ultra-Flat camo paint, went with Olive as that matches what most Pershings were out of the factory and in the field. Considered a flat brown but decided against it.

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I was scared to death briefly when the green top coat started to bubble SLIGHTLY over the primer I had used... oh I do hate when that happens, and I'm far far to lazy to ever check if it will... Lucky me it wasn't very bad & if you leave it alone it tends to dry smooth...

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Once everything has had a few hours to cure, I'll assemble what I can and get a nice photo for you guys.

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PostSubject: Re: Strato's M26A1 Pershing   Strato's M26A1 Pershing Icon_minitimeTue Jun 10, 2014 10:54 am

Looking good ! And I thought I am the only one that uses the cheapo Cdn Tires flat camo spray paint. They are great, flat as hell, dries fast, goes on anything and CHEAP !

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PostSubject: Re: Strato's M26A1 Pershing   Strato's M26A1 Pershing Icon_minitimeTue Jun 10, 2014 1:21 pm

I used the same green on my Pershing too, then did a nice wash with the MIG product from Freakydude.

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PostSubject: Re: Strato's M26A1 Pershing   Strato's M26A1 Pershing Icon_minitimeTue Jun 10, 2014 2:19 pm

That's what's on my JS-3. The Dark Yellow is good for German as a base coat yellow.
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PostSubject: Re: Strato's M26A1 Pershing   Strato's M26A1 Pershing Icon_minitimeWed Jun 18, 2014 10:47 am

Wheels arrived and I did a bit of work on the running gear. 

The wheel kit from TankArmy is actually pretty nice, better than most other 'metal upgrade' wheel packages Ive tried out. I really liked that they provided all the hardware, and every metal suspension arm was already tapped for the machine screw. I've had terrible nightmares from previous experience with metal suspension arms that broke screw heads or needed to be tapped to M3 screws. 

There are really only 2 drawbacks. First the 'rubber' on the wheels is actually a fairly hard plastic. It's molded on separately and is probably removable but I didn't bother. Not that bad of a drawback.

Second there are no metal replacement arms for the 2 forward wheels, the weak spot of the Pershing. I really wish they'd make these and I'll send off an email to suggest it Wink 

The bearings in the wheels are nice and snug in their mounts and each wheel spins nicely. Impressed.


Other than that the return rollers are excellent. They all spin freely (no bearings though) and press fit right back into the holes the stock plastics ones came out of. Very nice. 

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PostSubject: Re: Strato's M26A1 Pershing   Strato's M26A1 Pershing Icon_minitimeWed Jun 18, 2014 11:04 am

Strato,

Can you remove the hard rubber for painting ? It looks like you mask/taped it prior to painting.

Looking good.

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PostSubject: Re: Strato's M26A1 Pershing   Strato's M26A1 Pershing Icon_minitimeWed Jun 18, 2014 11:09 am

I taped around them, the rubber(?) is pretty stiff and wouldn't come off with just my fingers. I didn't want to break them so I just left them.

Didn't paint the reverse side of the wheels because I'm dumb and removed the tape before mounting them... d'oh... oh well, you can only see that side if I flip over Wink

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looking Good Jordan nice work i like the Pershings it's a cool looking tank

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The fun package arrived yesterday and I've got a bit more done, and created a bunch of fun new problems to solve too Very Happy

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Evergreen 11/32 plastic tube that I'm going to make my own recoiling barrel with. It's actually working out nicely; the size wasn't exact to the airsoft barrel but it fits where it needs to. It's snug but slides smoothly through the mantlet. The problem now is trying to set up an Asiatam recoil unit inside a tank it wasn't meant for... oh boy.

Long shaft Taigen steel gearboxes, my favourite, undergoing break-in. I've never actually broke in gears & motors before but why not?

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Installed.

BIG REMINDER!! If you're going to use metal sprockets with these Taigen gearboxes you HAVE TO shave off a bit more of the flat spot on the drive shaft... otherwise it's too tight & the sprocket WILL get stuck on... very bad. I wish Taigen would address this... so again, HL / Asiatam metal sprockets are tight as hell on Taigen drive shafts... Sad

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Long shaft Taigen steel gearboxes, my favourite, undergoing break-in. I've never actually broke in gears & motors before but why not?

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Hey Jordan, what's the gearing on this? Are they the same as the stock metal HL gearboxes?

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PostSubject: Re: Strato's M26A1 Pershing   Strato's M26A1 Pershing Icon_minitimeThu Jun 19, 2014 6:39 pm

Those are the steel "4:1" gears, the difference being that little gear right at the very back. 

Standard HL ratio gears (the zinc and most of the other steel gears) don't have that extra gear.

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4:1's, does that mean more torque or speed?

Because the Pershings already have torque due to their small drive sprockets and are quite slow because of it. Mine is running stock gears with the 400 motors from Curtis, and find it run pretty good.

I'm interested to see how yours run.  Shocked 

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PostSubject: Re: Strato's M26A1 Pershing   Strato's M26A1 Pershing Icon_minitimeThu Jun 19, 2014 8:17 pm

looking real nice Jordan 
come on paint your markings on man,,,lol
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Stince wrote:

4:1's, does that mean more torque or speed?

Because the Pershings already have torque due to their small drive sprockets and are quite slow because of it.  Mine is running stock gears with the 400 motors from Curtis, and find it run pretty good.

I'm interested to see how yours run.  Shocked 
 Torque!

Hmm we shall see I honestly haven't run this tank AT ALL even with the stock HL stuff in it, due to lack of 8 AA batteries laying around Razz

If I need to I can toss in a pair of the Tower motors for a speed boost... even if this tank is slow it'll also be moderately heavy (guessing 12lb range) and should be a good driver.

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I'm thinking your going to upgrade the motors then. It made a huge improvement on mine.

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I think it will come to that Derek. I have a couple sets of those motors just looking for a happy tank... the pain is switching over the HL pinion gears without wrecking them.

I did some more work this morning getting ready for the asiatam recoil and elevation. Soldered in the wire plugs that several of us have ordered and use to their proper pins.

If anyone's wondering, the recoil motor is + to pin 3 (which is also the + for the MG and headlights) and - to pin 4. You can see in the photo I messed up labeling the +/- but I soldered them in the proper place... Very Happy Polarity matters with this recoil unit, hooking it up wrong causes bad things.

Gun elevation is pin 5 & 6 but if you think about it polarity doesn't matter, it's either going up or down and can't be messed up.

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PostSubject: Re: Strato's M26A1 Pershing   Strato's M26A1 Pershing Icon_minitimeSat Jun 21, 2014 9:20 am

Well Stince is correct and the Pershing during initial test runs is slower than snot on a crisp February morning... motors to be swapped at earliest convenience hehe. 

I got to work (...while at work) on the tougher issue being the installation of the recoil / elevation unit.

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I made a base plate out of thick aluminum sheet that will be tapped for an M3 bolt to hold it in place.

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I formed some thinner aluminum into brackets that the bolts will pass through to secure the plate. I had to move the entire unit backwards a little bit to get proper recoil clearance, and won't get a lot of barrel elevation travel but it will be enough to battle with. This gun with recoil will look good.

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LoL Glen, exactly...

I have the barrel cut down to the proper length for an early Korea M26 so it doesn't look as crazy!

With the late tracks this tank wouldn't gbe a good fit for WW2 but standard Pershings did show up for a year or so in Korea before being replaced with M26A1's and M47 Pattons.


So I've tested everything out on a Sherman clark board and it all runs! I have to find an M3 tap to finish assembly but for now it's good... 

On to detailing...

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