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Jarlath Field Marshal
Posts : 2442 Join date : 2016-06-01 Age : 51 Location : Kitchener, ON
| Subject: Maus... The RC Project... Sat Jul 09, 2016 9:55 am | |
| So after seeing Mike's Maus, (and my kids never shutting up about the Maus in World of Tanks) and having some serious interest in RC stuff now, I lucked out and got a Juckenburg resin model for a huge steal... (Currently retails for somewhere around $425+ CDN Shipped). So the other reason I did this was after talking to Mike and seeing his RC'd version of the above, that I'd look at designing a full aluminum version. I had been using a copy of Panzer Tracts No. 6-3 to get some measurements to create a basic 3D model. I've also been talking to the guys at ETO Armour regarding the drive line. So this was after a week of fiddling during lunchtimes and breaks at work... I figure that this will be a 6 month project for design alone. So this is currently the 9 pcs that have been rough designed. 12.7mm (1/2") front upper and lower glacis 9.525mm (3/8") rear upper glacis (lower TBD) 6.35mm (1/4") outer side skirts (TBD Turret components) 4.7625mm (3/16") inner hulls, (TBD some upper hull portions) 2.05mm (0.0808" #12 ga) inner track wells, (TBD upper hulls and turret upper plates) TBD once the overall exterior is created, internals for structure. The concept is that the outer skirts will be able to be removed by taking out 4-6 bolts for access to tracks and bogeys. And showing some of the component dimensioning of the side skirt... |
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MikeC Field Marshal
Posts : 3047 Join date : 2013-08-25 Location : Toronto, Ontario
| Subject: Re: Maus... The RC Project... Sat Jul 09, 2016 10:12 am | |
| Wow that's amazing. Looking forward to it ! |
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Strato50 General
Posts : 2188 Join date : 2012-03-28 Age : 39 Location : Hamilton, On
| Subject: Re: Maus... The RC Project... Sat Jul 09, 2016 10:25 am | |
| Oooh I love engineered diagrams I've learned that the M3 hex-head bolt and matching tap are my best friend on tanks, I use them wherever I can. Makes removable bits and chassis parts a breeze. So do you plan to R/c the resin one and then design a whole new kit? _____________________________________________ Tiger I - Panzer II - Panzer III - Panzer IV - Chi Nu Kai - Panther G - KV-1b 756(r) M4A3(76) Sherman - T-34/85 - M3 Grant - SECRET PROJECT
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Jarlath Field Marshal
Posts : 2442 Join date : 2016-06-01 Age : 51 Location : Kitchener, ON
| Subject: Re: Maus... The RC Project... Sat Jul 09, 2016 1:34 pm | |
| - Strato50 wrote:
- Oooh I love engineered diagrams I've learned that the M3 hex-head bolt and matching tap are my best friend on tanks, I use them wherever I can. Makes removable bits and chassis parts a breeze.
So do you plan to R/c the resin one and then design a whole new kit? No plan on using the resin as an RC unit. Bought specifically to do some dimensional checks and to help visualize assembly concepts. Yeah, already have a hundred or so M3 HSCS and M3 countersunk hex socket bolts from a previous repair to one of my dad's old projects. |
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Airbrushler Retired
Posts : 2567 Join date : 2012-04-27 Age : 60 Location : Windsor, ON
| Subject: Re: Maus... The RC Project... Sat Jul 09, 2016 1:38 pm | |
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Jarlath Field Marshal
Posts : 2442 Join date : 2016-06-01 Age : 51 Location : Kitchener, ON
| Subject: Re: Maus... The RC Project... Sat Jul 09, 2016 3:27 pm | |
| Ohhh. more details never hurt.... Larger scales mean more accuracy... Many thanks.
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Jughead Staff Sergeant
Posts : 351 Join date : 2015-12-20 Age : 59 Location : welland
| Subject: Re: Maus... The RC Project... Sat Jul 09, 2016 10:27 pm | |
| What scale is the tank exactly , just curious |
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Jarlath Field Marshal
Posts : 2442 Join date : 2016-06-01 Age : 51 Location : Kitchener, ON
| Subject: Re: Maus... The RC Project... Sat Jul 09, 2016 10:34 pm | |
| 1/16th of course... |
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MikeC Field Marshal
Posts : 3047 Join date : 2013-08-25 Location : Toronto, Ontario
| Subject: Re: Maus... The RC Project... Sat Jul 09, 2016 10:37 pm | |
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Jarlath Field Marshal
Posts : 2442 Join date : 2016-06-01 Age : 51 Location : Kitchener, ON
| Subject: Re: Maus... The RC Project... Sat Jul 09, 2016 10:58 pm | |
| Oh yes please... |
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Jarlath Field Marshal
Posts : 2442 Join date : 2016-06-01 Age : 51 Location : Kitchener, ON
| Subject: Re: Maus... The RC Project... Sat Jul 09, 2016 11:01 pm | |
| Did I mention that I'll be looking at you guys for your expertise in electronics and such for controls.
Mike, I know you did dual turret motors on your Maus due to the size, did you use continuous rotation servos? I was thinking of that using a Y control cable to actuate two servos simultaneously... Again just concepts currently... |
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MikeC Field Marshal
Posts : 3047 Join date : 2013-08-25 Location : Toronto, Ontario
| Subject: Re: Maus... The RC Project... Sat Jul 09, 2016 11:37 pm | |
| I used two Heng Long turret rotation unit which is just plastic gears with 130 motors. You can definitely split a servo output to drive two or more continous servos. |
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Jarlath Field Marshal
Posts : 2442 Join date : 2016-06-01 Age : 51 Location : Kitchener, ON
| Subject: Re: Maus... The RC Project... Fri Jul 15, 2016 3:12 pm | |
| A design update... Just cause So I developed a basic framework using the external components I was modelling. 65mm inside the inner hull is scale. Ug... So small... Main transverse framework to be 3/8" thick, all other framework to be 1/4" thick. (lasercut nesting to be completed later) Side hulls will attach to the framework, sponson floors will attach as well. Front and rear lower Glacis plates to form part of the major framework. Lower hull floor attached to framework and lower glacis plates. (Left inner hull wall and sponson floor omitted for clarity) Added upper glacis plates (1/2" front, 3/8" rear) , note that there will be additional framework added for support and structural rigidity. Front track armor covers put in place (1/4" thick = 2-3 3M bolts/csnk screws per for installation and solid attachment) Front "crew compartment" upper panel (3/16") and primary vent panels (12ga, 0.0808") placed exhaust panels and turret ring in place (all 12ga /0.0808" aluminum sheet) 26pcs and mass is 5.6kg so far (not including the motors). No hardware yet, no mounting holes, but likely going to use hexagon socket countersunk cap screws with flat heads. Everything is at least 2mm thick and the heads have a 1.5mm depth on a 90 degree countersink. Should be lots of holding force. The question is whether to use helicoils or not for added torque ability... |
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Jughead Staff Sergeant
Posts : 351 Join date : 2015-12-20 Age : 59 Location : welland
| Subject: Re: Maus... The RC Project... Fri Jul 15, 2016 9:08 pm | |
| Good concept and design , do you have a company that can mould everything ? |
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Jarlath Field Marshal
Posts : 2442 Join date : 2016-06-01 Age : 51 Location : Kitchener, ON
| Subject: Re: Maus... The RC Project... Fri Jul 15, 2016 9:30 pm | |
| Mould? No. Lasercut aluminum. All of it! Maybe the smaller pieces will need to be cast resin/plasic. (hatches/Deflectors, etc... |
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Jarlath Field Marshal
Posts : 2442 Join date : 2016-06-01 Age : 51 Location : Kitchener, ON
| Subject: Re: Maus... The RC Project... Thu Jul 21, 2016 5:36 pm | |
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knispel Retired
Posts : 1318 Join date : 2012-07-01 Age : 72 Location : North of Kitchener
| Subject: Re: Maus... The RC Project... Fri Jul 22, 2016 10:59 pm | |
| OMG We have Military Generals ,Military Gunnery Specialists, Aviation mechanics , Mechanical Engineers , Cost Reduction experts , Colour application experts , Graphic Design specialist, Top Real Estates Performers, plus a number of other super skilled members in our club. You guys should update your profiles so we can bath in your expertise. We, Norma and I, are proud and honored to be part of this group of enthusiasts with such hidden talents. |
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Strato50 General
Posts : 2188 Join date : 2012-03-28 Age : 39 Location : Hamilton, On
| Subject: Re: Maus... The RC Project... Sat Jul 23, 2016 12:13 pm | |
| That CAD is making me jealous.. _____________________________________________ Tiger I - Panzer II - Panzer III - Panzer IV - Chi Nu Kai - Panther G - KV-1b 756(r) M4A3(76) Sherman - T-34/85 - M3 Grant - SECRET PROJECT
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Jarlath Field Marshal
Posts : 2442 Join date : 2016-06-01 Age : 51 Location : Kitchener, ON
| Subject: Re: Maus... The RC Project... Wed Aug 03, 2016 2:56 pm | |
| Suspension iteration. showing road wheel travel possibility. Should be only 3.2mm total travel Full unit compressed to extended, all bogeys at the same time (so far... from suspension arm limits Slightly smaller than scale 51.2mm vs 70mm theoretical design) New component arrangement (bogey mounts and crossmembers...) Took the time to model an IBU3 board with proper JST connectors, positions are guesstimated from images online. Overall dims are from the source |
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Jarlath Field Marshal
Posts : 2442 Join date : 2016-06-01 Age : 51 Location : Kitchener, ON
| Subject: Re: Maus... The RC Project... Thu Sep 01, 2016 4:41 pm | |
| Decided to layout how much I would need for making 50+ units. The 1/2" component requirements = 1 full 4'x8' plate of 1/2" aluminum sheet. Will require a 3D waterjet cutting setup as the turret sides and rear require 30 and 15 degree angles respectively. Damned... That is ALOT of parts. Upper left corner - Front lower glacis plate Most of left half - Left & right turret sides Middle right of plate - more front lower glacis plates Right of that - Turret front plate/glacis Right third - Front lower glacis plates (they are SOOO small) Far right side - Turret rear plates |
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Strato50 General
Posts : 2188 Join date : 2012-03-28 Age : 39 Location : Hamilton, On
| Subject: Re: Maus... The RC Project... Fri Sep 02, 2016 8:54 am | |
| Holy jebuz, so where does one get a water jet cutter for this? That's like 3D printing but with cooler parts. _____________________________________________ Tiger I - Panzer II - Panzer III - Panzer IV - Chi Nu Kai - Panther G - KV-1b 756(r) M4A3(76) Sherman - T-34/85 - M3 Grant - SECRET PROJECT
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Jarlath Field Marshal
Posts : 2442 Join date : 2016-06-01 Age : 51 Location : Kitchener, ON
| Subject: Re: Maus... The RC Project... Fri Sep 02, 2016 9:01 am | |
| Once I get the layouts roughly done, it is a matter of finding a material source and job shop with the appropriate cutting equipment (many are combined, too bad laser cutting doesn't work well on Aluminum) |
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Jarlath Field Marshal
Posts : 2442 Join date : 2016-06-01 Age : 51 Location : Kitchener, ON
| Subject: Re: Maus... The RC Project... Thu Sep 15, 2016 1:54 pm | |
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Jarlath Field Marshal
Posts : 2442 Join date : 2016-06-01 Age : 51 Location : Kitchener, ON
| Subject: 3D printing conceptual goodness Tue Jun 13, 2017 10:40 am | |
| So it has been awhile and I had not forgotten about my Maus Project... Space, time, and $$$ have been the limiting factors (In that order...). But with my new fun in 3D printing I decided to put my concepts into theory... Those are rough scale 3D printed Maus tracks... The NEW plan is to make a 3D printed Maus first from my modelling files for proof of concept/assembly. |
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Jarlath Field Marshal
Posts : 2442 Join date : 2016-06-01 Age : 51 Location : Kitchener, ON
| Subject: Re: Maus... The RC Project... Sat Jun 27, 2020 11:37 am | |
| Thread resurrection! I may as well have a long overdue update. As many of you know my Maus project was put on hold in late 2017... Not a lot was done as I was hunting down sources to make my 1/16th scale tracks out of metal (Preferably not zinc, but aluminum or other durable, long lasting alloy) Some of the RC stuff that is in process... (Some... Like you see under 1/2 of it) The Juckenburg Maus sitting on a separate shelf awaiting additional use and a future owner... The Maus 3D prototype as currently sitting in "storage" Thankfully not much dust The original 3D modeled tracks showing inward flex. The 3D printed tracks (held together with straightened paper clips) showing the same flex. Original modeled tracks showing typical rolling flex The same set of 3D printed tracks curled up (not tightly mind you). Up against the Sherman for a track size comparison. Maus tracks are HUGE... The Maus Turret... (And some upper deck pieces) Top plate removed... Note that all 3D components are printed to scale armour thickness. Scale opening under the front mantlet as per Maus specifications. That is 240mm of scale armor! And the Germans made a bunch of these turrets.... There were supposedly 5 hulls welded together and even more turrets (Sans inner guts) Turret placed upon the Sherman for a scale comparison... Inside of the turret, 3 sections for length, under the turret you see the 2 piece lower turret floor (That opening is scale) |
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