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|Subject: Stowage for Tanks Fri Aug 30, 2013 9:52 pm|| |
Just curious what everyone uses to attach stowage to their tanks?
I've read about people using super glue, epoxy and rubber cement, which good if you want remove it later.
Also, is it better weather the tank before or after stowage is put on?
What are your thoughts gentlemen?
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|Subject: Re: Stowage for Tanks Fri Aug 30, 2013 10:16 pm|| |
Super glue or cryanolatyes are great as long as their is no sheer strength required, pull forces are out of this world but it is weak when you slide things.
MEK or Testors type glues are nice but have limited strength, If you can put a bit of pressure on the bond as it sets and dries then it is stronger but get it cold and it loses some oomph, same as when it ages as it gets brittle. still strong but can be snapped.
I don't use rubber cement personally so can't comment, I never did like the smell.
5 min epoxy is a great glue but there is more than one type and you need to choose dry times etc. I suggest you test the epoxie before use as some of them are pretty caustic.
Always use the glues on bare clean material ( paints, pigments, dirt or anything in your joints will NOT give you a good part to part contact )
What you really need to do is choose the glue that is best for the material.
Decide what strength you need, what type of forces the glue will have to hold up against and finally investigate the material being glued. For most of what we do, model glue is good and so is super glue. What if you want to hold a metal part onto your surface? Then maybe JB weld or epoxie works best.
One note here is don't forget about product like Milliput or other 2 parts epoxies, not only does it make great zimmerit but it bonds very well and when mixed properly will bond parts together and hold's tightly. You can even sand and sculpt it so it makes for a wicked general purpose tool.
I bet I have 14 different glues in my shop from tape all the way to industrial metal bonders that are as strong as welds. Without a doubt though just the blue labeled testors and a 2 minute crack filling super glue get the majority of my work done.
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|Subject: Re: Stowage for Tanks Fri Aug 30, 2013 11:55 pm|| |
I use mainly super glue and I always buy the gel type. That way it doesn't run all over the place. Michael likes his hot glue. Gives a good bond but you can remove it pretty easily. Just harder to do anything fine. I use 2 part epoxy when tacking metal to plastic.
As far as weathering goes if the items are going to be on there all the time tack em and weather. If you want to be able to remove and change then weather under on the tank first and do the items on the side. Depends too how you weather, washes, pin, dry brush, etc... but 95% of the time the items should be weathered same as the tank. The 5 % can be just delivered ammo crates, clothing items, ruck sacks, etc.. that may have just been put on.
That's my 2 cents...
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|Subject: Re: Stowage for Tanks Fri Aug 30, 2013 11:58 pm|| |
i use super glue to from the dollar store sometime i have to resort to epoxy so i keep it on hand
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|Subject: Re: Stowage for Tanks Sat Aug 31, 2013 8:20 am|| |
I use bob smith industries foam safe ca ...and excellerator ...seems to work good as for weathering mostly pastels and washes made up as I go and usually sprayed on or dry brushed
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|Subject: Re: Stowage for Tanks Sat Aug 31, 2013 9:21 am|| |
You guys should try "Goop". It has the consistency of epoxy glue (thick and gooey) doesn't run and will hold anything to anything even on painted surfaces. Because of it's consistency it holds the part immediately yet gives you time to work it if necessary.
(note to Sherman owners): I find the super glues are too brittle and wont take the beating if you tank goes into the ditch.
A few years ago, I had a very expensive pair of snowmobile boots that split on the base seam. Instead of throwing them out, I thought I would try Goop to hold this stressed seam. I figured I had nothing to lose. I still have the boots 3 years later, they go through more than your tanks ever will and are still holding up with no issues.
Goop is available at Canadian Tire.
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